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Hi! Is the Hub still around? (4)

1 Name: GMAN : 2009-06-02 23:54 ID:wIti7XgJ [Del]

Just looking for a place to d/l and share my stuff? I was on the Hub a few years back...on DC++ but its gone? Any other spots to share?
Thx
GMAN

2 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-06-03 07:52 ID:7aA/D1bd [Del]

Hey there. I believe the Hub is long gone.

3 Name: GMAN : 2009-06-18 01:07 ID:wIti7XgJ [Del]

Anywhere to d/l Prince material?

4 Name: Anonymous : 2009-06-19 23:21 ID:zU0VI0gq [Del]

torrents

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The Undertaker (15)

1 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-03 18:22 ID:7CBn8Fvl [Del]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreleased_Prince_projects#The_Undertaker

This recording was made in a continuous single live-in-the-studio pass in collaboration with NPG drummer Michael Bland and bassist Sonny T. Prince originally intended to give this live CD away free with 1,000 copies of Guitar Player Magazine in 1994 (uploading an original "The Undertaker" CD to iTunes, shows the year 1995 as the year the CD was "released"), but he was reportedly barred by Warner Bros. from doing so. Copies were leaked and bootlegged. The songs were guitar-heavy versions of rock and blues numbers, including a cover of The Rolling Stones' "Honky Tonk Women" and new recording of "Bambi" (originally from 1979's Prince). The title track was a cover of a song previously given to Mavis Staples, while "The Ride," "Zannalee," and "Dolphin" would all be re-recorded future releases. A video recording of the performance is in circulation with small edits throughout the performance and "Dolphin" replaced by the official video of the song from The Gold Experience.

Track listing

1. The Ride (10:54)
2. Poor Goo (4:26)
3. Honky Tonk Women (3:00)
4. Bambi (4:49)
5. The Undertaker (9:50)
6. Dolphin (3:40)

6 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-13 07:45 ID:/oboXvVP [Del]

>>5

Where's T when you need him?

7 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-13 10:00 ID:slGLSvn/ [Del]

>>6

Are you talking about 'that guy'?

8 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-13 10:11 ID:6KklQXnK [Del]

>>7

a.k.a, SaTim

9 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-13 10:44 ID:slGLSvn/ [Del]

>>8

Is he known as just T who made some great bootlegs, carried out some boxes of '51 Hours' from a certain place?

More than 10 years ago, I made a trade with some guy whose name includes T as an initial letter (I don't remember more than that). He was known as T among the member of PPML. I obtained MPLS single from him and sent him several Japanese pressings. I have been wondering if he was that famous T.

Do you know he used to collect Star Wars figure?

10 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-13 10:45 ID:6KklQXnK [Del]

>>9

Sounds like the same guy. He used to be a fixture on AMP and the PPML. I remember seeing him at HQ as well.

11 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-13 10:46 ID:6KklQXnK [Del]

He used to work at one of the NPG retail stores and knows a lot about the behind the scenes goings on of the mid- '90s era.

12 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-13 10:55 ID:slGLSvn/ [Del]

>>10

I think I know whom you mention to. Were you in HQ?

Returning to your former question, it was my friend who showed me one of the real copy of The Undertaker. He had a lot of rarities.

Well, it's time for me to go to bed. Thank you for talking. See you!

13 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-13 11:15 ID:6KklQXnK [Del]

>>12

I was at HQ, yes.

Good night!

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15 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-23 13:57 ID:K/qS+Y5p [Del]

I received this e-mail last night:

The Undertaker
Dear Stanley,

If you find the B&W photo of a girl on a pay phone in the sphere, you will be treated to a newly-added 40 minute video... Check it out!

Sincerely,
LotusFlow3r.com
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Home movie from Paisley Park, circa 1991 (14)

1 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-13 10:38 ID:rDwBECjj [Del]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FePKR6MMcFk&NR=1

This camcorder video was shot by a session musician who was hired to play guitar on some of the tracks on Ingrid Chavez's album, May 19, 1992. He wanders around Paisley a bit and ends up in one of the studio rehearsal rooms, where several of Prince's guitars are setup on stage. There are a handful of musicians noodling around to a playback of the song 'Little Mama.' After a while the drummer and bass player switch off the drum machine and start playing 'Tom Sawyer' by Rush. Prince never actually appears in the video, but apparently he kicked them out of the rehearsal room and moved the whole group to a warehouse rehearsal space, which is where the video concludes...

5 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-15 08:26 ID:pCnjNboF [Del]

Yes! It's a BTO model and Dell assemble it at their factory outside Japan. Then, then send it to Japan by ship.

Umm ... didn't know it before I place the order.

6 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-15 08:49 ID:rDwBECjj [Del]

I wish more American companies used AMS for shipping. Every time I have ordered something from Japan it usually arrives within 48 hours.

7 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-15 09:41 ID:pCnjNboF [Del]

It's comfortable to receive within 48 hours. Is shipping fee acceptable with it?

In my case, slow delivery is a part of their effort to reduce the cost. I purchased this PC a lot cheaper than Japanese one. I understand it's trade-off but 20 days is TOO LONG.
My main reason here was not the price, though. I just wanted a Windows XP pre-installed laptop :D

NEW-FUNK, NPGMC used to send me their products via FedEx and I disliked it. I didn't need things like CD that immediately. I say, they should have tried hard to release Crystal Ball smoothly first of all before sending it using FedEx.

8 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-15 09:42 ID:pCnjNboF [Del]

Sorry for off-topic.

9 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-15 11:16 ID:rDwBECjj [Del]

For small packages AMS is usually about $25 for "over night" service from Japan. For example, that was the shipping charge on my Sony Librie (an eBook reader very similar to the Amazon Kindle) back in 2003.

Speaking of Crystal Ball, I never did receive mine!

10 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-15 23:33 ID:pCnjNboF [Del]

Too bad :( I received mine but never received The War cassette.

They sent me the PAL copy of The Beautiful Strange video by mistake. I asked them for replacement. They sent me the NTSC copy but I had to send back PAL copy at my expense. Why?

11 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-16 01:33 ID:lx57/O4R [Del]

I received "The War" on CD-R from another fan, back when Prince's website authorized people to share the song so long as everyone agreed to send a dollar to Paisley Park.

12 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-17 03:21 ID:pCnjNboF [Del]

It appeared to be a kind of experiment. Was the promo copy of "The War" CD intended to be given to those who were on top of the distribution tree?

NPGMC initially informed their selected subscribers about the links to the tracks that made CNOTE EP later. 3121.com provided one-off download store for "Guitar".

What did the man learn from those experiments?

13 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-17 13:41 ID:+250exiy [Del]

>>12

I don't remember exactly how 'The War' was initially given to the people at the top of the distribution tree. Was it a CD or were they allowed to download it?

14 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-18 07:55 ID:pCnjNboF [Del]

I've never met person who was handing out the copy to others here. I personally obtained it at eBay. (Cassette, not CD)

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Prince: 1958-1993 (14)

1 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-03 18:19 ID:UaJ8dhVV [Del]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_(musician)

Prince Rogers Nelson (born June 7, 1958) is an American musician. He performs under the mononym of Prince, but has also been known by various other names, among them an unpronounceable symbol, usually spelled O(+>, which he used as his name between 1993 and 2000, during which time he was usually referred to as The Artist Formerly Known as Prince.

For You (1978)
Prince (1979)
Dirty Mind (1980)
Controversy (1981)
1999 (1982)
Purple Rain (1984)
Around the World in a Day (1985)
Parade (1986)
Dream Factory (1986)(unreleased)
Crystal Ball (1986)(unreleased)
Sign '☮' the Times (1987)
Black Album (1987)(released 1994)
Lovesexy (1988)
Rave Unto The Joy Fantastic (1988)(unfinished)
Batman (1989)
Graffiti Bridge (1990)
Diamonds and Pearls (1991)
O(+> (1992)
The Undertaker (1993)(unreleased)

5 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-12 07:27 ID:r6UpVvwl [Del]

I think that each album up until O(+> and The Undertaker built upon a consistent theme of musical and lyrical content. After 1993, Prince seemed to purposely deconstruct the elements of his image. I sort of agree with the cover of the Come album: Prince: 1958-1993.

6 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-12 07:31 ID:r6UpVvwl [Del]

Furthermore, I don't buy the name change back to Prince. Rather than returning to the previous context, he has continued with the O(+> like deconstruction of his former identity.

7 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-13 04:22 ID:15O8yQWc [Del]

>>5

Consistent theme of musical and lyrical content? Interesting, do you have any idea to explain what actually was?

What made him change do you think? Contractual constraint with WB? Marriage to Mayte?

8 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-15 11:14 ID:4NjIluq5 [Del]

>>7

This is a tough one. I have been stewing on it for a few days but haven't had enough time to properly organize and write down my thoughts.

I think that up until 1993 (including the initial Come and The Gold Experience sessions), there was a continuity of self referencing between the lyrics of different Prince songs. The familiar "Princebonics" such as U instead of you, eye instead of I, etc., all seemed to combine in such a way that the songs could be interpreted, in most cases, as conversations between different aspects of Prince's personality. "Eye" was his spirit, and "U" was his flesh, and so on.

Beginning with the name change, he seemed to move away from that consistency, which in my view stripped some of the depth from the conceptual structure of his persona. In the years since he has tended to try and explain himself a lot more often, often going to great lengths in the lyrics themselves to explain what he's talking about. I view this as a huge departure from what came before.

9 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-15 23:24 ID:15O8yQWc [Del]

Thank you for sharing your view. Yes, it’s a tough subject. We can’t know the truth and then, it’s no problem. However, we see something that lets us want to investigate what happened.

I’ve thought about this matter for a long time. In my view, Come, The Gold Experience and Exodus by The NPG can partially be treated in the same way as the earlier ones. Although I see some changes with paradigm in his music worlds, they still have similar moments as the predecessors. For example, message in the song The Exodus Has Begun seems to be originated from the same place as Positivity in Lovesexy.

Here’s my thought on this:

Prince used to be struggling to create strong concept to bring “integrity” to his music back in the days. Then, creating music was the most important thing for him and each song, album was just a subject for the art that’s called music.
One day, situation changed. He got more important thing than music. He became less careful about his music. It looks music itself is not the subject today and it’s just something that serves for what he think the most important.

It’s apparently good for Prince to find other important things and to be happy in his personal life. However, it’s also true that his recent music is less appealing to me.

10 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-16 01:38 ID:WvSTHdzU [Del]

Our views on this subject seem very similar.

I agree about Come, The Gold Experience and Exodus. In fact, I consider Exodus to be the last fully realized album. I have always thought the final versions of the other two seemed to be disappointingly watered down (and perhaps tinkered with for a little too long) from the vision expressed in the Beautiful Experience TV special. Certainly the live shows during this period were consistently amazing.

11 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-16 01:39 ID:WvSTHdzU [Del]

I wouldn't change a note on Exodus.

12 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-17 05:07 ID:15O8yQWc [Del]

I feel Come (the album), that represents the end of one artist’s life, summarizes what makes his music relatively well, though textures of sound are not that familiar for old listeners. (I still saw new finding for me – influence by Isaac Hayes.) To summarize the elements of his music, Interactive or Endorphinmachine might have been a nice addition to the album but the album didn’t need both.

On the other hand, I think The Gold Experience does not represent the birth of the new artist. I agree that the sound is really powerful. However, I see almost nothing new with the lyrics. Songs like “We March”, “Dolphin”, “Shy” and “Gold” actually let me feel new direction. However, others remind me of the origin of Come and The Gold Experience. That’s one single project - Glam Slam Ulysses.

From the point view above, I agree with you to consider Exodus to be the last fully realized album.

13 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-17 05:13 ID:15O8yQWc [Del]

BTW, why was the album Chaos And Disorder released under the name O(+>? It makes the reason of name change obscure again.

14 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-17 13:39 ID:W8OIMl7X [Del]

>>13

I was confused by that as well.

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Why is Prince mixing the bass so low in his new music? (6)

1 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-06 08:45 ID:DxvbwcD7 [Del]

Check out the songs 'Feel Good, Feel Better, Feel Wonderful' and 'Elixir.' Both have great bass lines that are all but buried in the mix.

2 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-13 04:18 ID:aUBkS6FW [Del]

>>1

My speculation:

FGFBFW > To calm the funk feeling in order to make it sound musically suitable to the album (he did add the horns on the other hand, though)

Elixer > To make it sound softly as a closing track for the album. I think base line in this track is cool and it could be louder if this was not the final track. BTW, the strings part is great too and it reminds me of “Nothing Compares 2 U” or “Mia Bocca”.

I love Prince, Wendy & Lisa, Clare Fischer and Susan Rogers collaboration.

3 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-13 07:43 ID:x1Pv9/I6 [Del]

>>2

You're probably right about 'FGFBFW.' Its mix is very consistent with the other songs on the album. I really, really disliked this song since hearing the demo version on NPGMC years ago. It's surprising to me how much the new mix with the simple addition of a sparse horn arrangement really improves the song.

I'm not going to complain too much about 'Elixer' since I think it works fine the way it is; I just think the decision to mix the bass so low is an odd one since the bass line seems necessary to resolve the vocal melody.

I of course agree about Prince, Wendy & Lisa, Clare Fischer and Susan Rogers.

4 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-13 09:58 ID:aUBkS6FW [Del]

>>3

Your story about the feeling to 'FGFBFW' reminds me of mine for 'Guitar'.

I think Prince should not "leak" demo materials by himself. Some will never be released for ever and some are updated, released but disappoint people in the end.

I've understood your thought on 'Elixer' now. It's very true. When I heard 'Sexy MF' for the first time, it was when I went to see the Diamonds & Pearls tour. Due to bad sound reinforcement in the stadium, base line was not audible. I felt the song was too weak. Then , I was very surprised when I listened to the single.

5 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-13 10:04 ID:DxvbwcD7 [Del]

Speaking of 'Elixer' and Diamonds & Pearls, I noticed that there is a small vocal part in the song 'Elixer' that is very reminiscent of Rosie's vocals at the beginning of the song 'Jughead.' It's a short, ascending scale with lots of echo, sung by Bria.

6 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-13 10:47 ID:aUBkS6FW [Del]

Rosie and Bria ... interesting. I'll give a spin to check it.

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Elixir, by Bria Valente/Prince (8)

1 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-02 16:05 ID:ph3F8txy [Del]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotusflow3r

Elixer

1. "Here Eye Come" - 4:28
2. "All This Love" - 4:39
3. "Home" - 4:26
4. "Something U Already Know" - 5:44
5. "Everytime" - 3:50
6. "2Nite" - 5:02
7. "Another Boy" - 3:56
8. "Kept Woman" - 4:15
9. "Immersion" - 4:02
10. "Elixer" - 4:00

2 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-02 16:17 ID:ph3F8txy [Del]

My personal favorite from the Lotusflow3r set. I use this CD the same way I use Bob Ross' TV show about painting landscapes. I mean that in a good way. :D This music is calming.

I'm not a fan of some of the lyrics. Elixir seems to contain much the same message as The Rainbow Children, though supposedly from a female point of view. Valente's role as the focal point of this album is that of the ideal woman Prince describes in the songs on TRC. I find it objectionable but it's presented in a non-confrontational manner and I find it relatively easy to ignore.

The production is excellent. To me this feels like the first real Prince production since TRC, and since Exodus before that. (I do like The Gold Experience but I think the final version of that album suffered under the weight of its final mix.) Nothing on Elixir immediately jumps out at me as being out of place. The bass and drum tracks are well balanced in relation to the other instruments. Sad, perhaps, that these things even have to be taken into account when considering the merits of a new Prince record, but in any case I'm happy he's once again able to attain this level of focus and consistency.

Some people are not fans of Bria's voice. I agree she's not the greatest vocalist ever to appear on a Prince record. But in this case, I think Prince has really played to her strengths. The songs are constructed in a way that she never has to reach beyond her grasp. This may sound like faint praise, but there is a soothing quality to her singing style that meshes very well with these arrangements and the instruments that were chosen to bring them to life.

3 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-06 11:24 ID:nMJKKYU6 [Del]

Just realized I have been misspelling Elixer (sic) in my posts. Hard to remember the odd spelling.

4 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-12 05:22 ID:H7h+PTX1 [Del]

Ha, Bob Ross' TV show! I know it. It was broadcasted in Japan too. He's very good at letting people think everyone can do as he does. He must be talented not only for painting itself but also for training people. I think it must be so interesting if Prince would have a similar TV show for creating music. He can complete the whole work by himself alone as painter can. The problem is that, in the case for Prince, population of possible student is too small.

My impression about the album Elixer is pretty close to yours except the ones for lyrics. When it comes into the English lyrics, I have to spend time to look into carefully if I try to make sure to understand correctly since English is not my native language. Basically, I seldom do it for his songs since I’m not expecting much from his lyrics (some are really great though) and analyzing heavily encrypted words sometimes results in waste of time. It's when I feel something special behind the music or when I see someone gives deep insight to it that I inspect the lyrics carefully.

Talking about the arrangements and sound production, I think the music is crafted well in terms of the selection of instruments, choice of sounds, way to mix. The feeling with sound is very consistent through the whole album while each track has each own "color". Yeah, I feel this album sounds colorfully but the variation of the color is controlled adequately. Then, it makes the album cohesive. Here, I see some reason why Prince mentioned to Sade's album when he talked about Elixer.

I felt similar thing before about Come 2 My House album by Chaka Khan, which got huge inputs by Prince as well. (I feel Elixer got delicate treatment better.)

While enjoying Elixer very much, I'm wondering why Prince doesn't do the same for his own album.

5 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-12 07:34 ID:gsL9Ryo5 [Del]

I pretty much agree with everything you say above. Your point about the lyrics is interesting. Sometimes I wish I had the same difficulty understanding what he is saying. :D

6 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-13 04:25 ID:H7h+PTX1 [Del]

>>5

I’m a happy non-English speaker in this matter :D I’m not bothered by his lyrics that many of you feel annoyed. However, music speaks for themselves. I’m not that impressed with his works for years. As I feel, it has little connection with the lyrics. It is vastly connected with his attitude toward music and creating music as an art. (I’ll tell about it in another appropriate thread.)

Regarding to his lyrics and my linguistic ability, it’s also true that I often feel it’s tough to keep up with his lyrics such like the one for “(There’ll Never Be) Another Like Me” or “Chocolate Box”.

IMO, he writes better lyrics for rock music. I’d like to expect him to write the lyrics that brings mature emotion. I think it’s possible to be fresh and to be mature simultaneously.

7 Name: stanleylieber!swQsw.nsVg!!K5Fwj931 : 2009-05-13 07:22 ID:o/vZT3Yx [Del]

>>6
I think it’s possible to be fresh and to be mature simultaneously.

A lot of the material from the 1986-1987 era comes to mind.

8 Name: blaqdiamond!!ENalNaK1 : 2009-05-13 09:36 ID:H7h+PTX1 [Del]

>>7

Agree. Then, we know many experienced musicians have proved it.

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